mojave_wolf ([info]mojave_wolf) wrote,
@ 2008-01-18 21:09:00
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Entry tags:abortion, alternative energy, barak obama, democratic primary, election 2008, environmentalism, hillary clinton, john edwards, nuclear power, presidential politics, pro-choice

Politics.
Some Democrats in Congress want to isolate Dodd for not being a good little fascist lapdog like so many of them:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/15/dodd-facing-fight-within-his-caucus-on-fisa/


(hat-tip to http://sideshow.me.uk/ for the link -- this site consistently has great political links, and I recommend it most highly. Thanks to [info]donfitch for tipping me off to this site about a year ago)

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Very weird that my sample ballot listed "Polling Place: None / By mail". I don't remember having previously voted by mail. Has there been a major election I just couldn't miss but have now forgotten since November 2006, when I have a sure memory of voting at a local precinct? The last election here was for school boards, and I didn't vote because I knew nothing about any of the candidates, and none of them had a public statement or platform that was much more specific than "I want to give our children the best education possible in a fiscally responsible manner", so I sat that one out.

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Still unsure on the Hillary/Edwards thing. So much of all this is just making a semi-educated guess what they're going to do when they're in office . . . Leaning her way a bit because I feel she'll be the best on environmental issues (compare her record to Edwards on nuclear power in particular; and this is where Obama loses any chance of me voting for him except against a Republican), and because I expect her to be at least as good as Bill was on reproductive freedom, and he was great there, even vetoing the anti D&E bill that had broad public support, for all that he supposedly was overly poll driven (he was, but on this, and stopping the rape camps in Bosnia, and on intervening to help end dictatorship in Haiti, a mess we were certainly partially responsible for, he did the right thing in the face of very strong poll numbers against him)(note that these were interventions in the affairs of other nations that actually made things there *better*, and without bankrupting the US, and that were not done for financial gain of the administration and their buddies), and because despite her stupidity on Iraq her overall Congressional record has been the best of anyone still in the race other than Kucinich, I think, and because the rest of her stated agenda basically is as good as or nearly as good as Edwards' and I have more faith in her to successfully enact it, even though her rhetoric isn't nearly as in line with my way of thinking as Edwards (and even though I do have to give him credit for greatly improving the overall tone of the debate, which I do, and even though I've known, gone to school with, and worked with quite a few trial lawyers and quite a few corporate lawyers, and I tend to very much like genuinely crusading trial lawyers, which I believe Edwards is). And honestly, if the whole thing comes down to a wash, which might be how I feel on election day, there are four things working against Edwards:

(1) "I like her better" isn't a reason for anyone *else* to vote for her, or under most circumstances even for me to -- I endorsed Dodd previously w/out any sense of him as a person at all -- but in a toss-up, this suddenly matters, plus, more imporatantly,

(2) I think she's the toughest, mentally strongest candidate out there, and that *does* matter; and

(3) the same reason I initially dismissed *all* the white guys candidacy -- unless they are noticably better, of course I'd rather vote for the candidate representing a historically (and still today, if a bit less so) oppressed group, if for no other reason than so she can prove the bigots (see Chris Mathews, among others) wrong once she gets in office, and

(4) both Hillary's most vocal critics and the kind of attacks they throw at her tend to really, really, *really* annoy me, and I shall take pleasure in their dismay.

Again, none of these are decisive unless it is otherwise a toss-up, but I think it might be. Both of them realize that dogged, determined partisanship is what won the environmental and civil rights battles of the 60's and 70's, (in case anyone missed it, this isn't just a dig at Obama's repeated call for bipartisianship, which is only going to be possible if one side caves and that's usually the dems on such things as the Patriot Act and Iraq and the drug war and tax cuts for the rich combined with service cuts for the poor and the Reagan/Bush decimation of environmental regulation, so please NO to bipartisanship; but also at Obama's expressed admiration for not just Reagan's rhetoric, but his expressed admiration for Reagan's reaction to the big government "excesses" of the 60's and 70's), both of them were both stupid and political cowards on the Iraq war vote (Obama would get credit for voting otherwise here if he'd done *anything* since coming to national prominence to convince me he would have been less of a political coward in their spot--he might have been less stupid, because he certainly has a brilliant political mind, but then a *lot* of people were wrong about how that would play out, and the pressures on him would have been very different on the national scene)(to the at least two and I think more still-Kucinich supporters out there--yes, you're right, he was there and he voted the right way and he's honest and his agenda is indeed better than anyone else's all round, no argument, and I don't blame you a bit for favoring him), and otherwise their positive/negative ratio tends to balance out about the same, if with minor differences here and there.

It would be nice if one of them would join really solidly with Dodd, though, swearing to stick by him to the better end on the telecomm immunity issue and even pledging to try and whip up support for this cause, and an appeal for turning back the tide on the rising police state, among the general populace.




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[info]thesideshow
2008-01-19 03:20 pm UTC (link)
I dunno, I looked at Hillary's record on reproductive rights and was startled to see that (a) she uses the term "partial-birth abortion" and (b) she supports parental notification. And (here, she said:

"My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I've met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it's a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman's choice."

So I'm not entirely comfortable with her, either.

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[info]mojave_wolf
2008-01-19 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Fully agreed with you both on wincing at her choice of words and not being fully comfortable with her candidacy as a whole. That's why I finally decided to come down for Dodd, right before he dropped out. =) (& he was for that moronic, stupid, Soviet-esque border fence idea, which would be a disqualifier all by itself if he hadn't stood out strongly and others hadn't stood backwards on other issues)

On the more important issue of the substance of what she said, though, Hillary is actually quite in line with current law, and I don't really have too much of a problem with her. The forced pregnancy side does their best to obscure this, but it's already illegal to get a 3rd trimester abortion most places (I think all places) in the US, unless there is a health issue of some sort for the mother or something problematic about the fetus. Whether this is a good or bad thing I leave up to you, but as a practical matter, I don't think you have a whole lot of women (any? women) deciding to abort 8 or 9 months in because they suddenly thought "oops, ya know, I'd really rather not have a kid. My bad!".

More problematic, I didn't know she supported parental notification. Okay, that's awful. Now I have to run check Edwards on this.

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[info]ladysashi
2008-01-22 12:44 am UTC (link)
Funny, but I've recently changed my mind on the whole parental notification idea. Previously, I had believed it was a bad idea to require parental notification for a variety of reasons (violence by parents, most importantly). However, after volunteering with a group of teens for a few summers, it is now my experienced opinion that 9 out of 10 teens get pregnant because they are stupidly, intentionally reckless, and not because they are ignorant of the facts about pregnancy and STDs, or because they are a victim of rape or incest.

I can tell you from my experience, that most of the very young girls I knew would flaunt their sexuality openly. From their clothes to the number of colored bracelets they wore (there were "secret codes" in the color & numbers of bracelets, signifying one's sexual prowess), these girls oozed a willingness for sexual encounters. There was absolutely no sense of propriety, shame, or self-respect... only a desire to get into as much trouble as possible, to prove they were "cool."

And before you ask... no, these girls were not abused or came from poor homes. Most of them were well loved by their clueless, manipulated parents, and they wanted for nothing material (hell, they had better, more expensive equipment and clothes than I had!).


Getting back on track... the hardest part for me as a councellor in this situation (and what ultimately made me walk away from the program entirely) was that I was legally gagged from telling the parents what their rotten kids were doing behind their backs (because of the fear of an adult's reprisal). Hell, if you asked me, I think most of those teens could have used a little more reprisal! I certainly would be appalled if my daughter ran around like these girls did: all sweet and loving and "normal" to mom and dad, but wearing little more than thongs and peek-a-boo bras at rave parties come 11pm on Saturday nights.

So, basically, because of a parental gag rule, there wasn't a thing I could do to prevent these kids from going out an engaging in risky, stupid sexual behavior. Sure, I would educate them on the worst-case scenarios, and plead with them to wait until they were a little more mature to handle the pressure than comes with sex. However, in every single case (not a single exception to this rule in all the time I was doing this), my educated words always fell on deaf ears. Every single one of those kids went out and had extremely risky sexual encounters, in situations usually involving alcohol, drugs, fast-speed driving, and sometimes, multiple partners and cameras rolling (if you get my meaning there).

Why did they do it? I've got my theories... One, there's a power that comes from knowing you're sexually wanted, especially as a naive, younger teen, and many girls get off on that trip. Others enjoy getting material goods from boys, so they'll do whatever is "required" to keep getting their boyfriend to pay their cellphone bills, or to take them out to eat, or to buy them new shoes (I knew of at least 2 who did this, and admitted it without shame). Some girls intentionally get pregnant with boyfriends, because they are hoping their guy will instantly turn into Prince Charming and will sweep them off their feet & out of their "oppressive" homes. Some get pregnant because they believe it will make them independent of their mothers (whom they also find "oppressive"), because they will then be on "equal footing" (being a mother themselves). And some get pregnant for the novelty of the idea (ever hear of "Prom Babies"???).

In any case, if I hadn't been gagged from telling the parents the truth about their kids earlier on, I think most of them would have been stopped from engaging in some really stupid behavior. I know of at least one girl out there who will be living with herpes for the rest of her life, and another who had a kid at age 16, dropped out of high school, and now can only get jobs at places like Burger King. Life is going to be really tough for those girls as a result. That's why it's my opinion that gag rules and parental notification laws really aren't doing much but stopping people in a position of authority to protect kids.

Just my 2 cents on the issue.

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[info]mojave_wolf
2008-01-19 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Forgive the fannish moment, but oh wow. You are avedon carol. You write possibly my favorite political blog, and you read something I wrote.

I am happy.

(oh, the other p.s. thing -- all the dem candidates, including those who dropped out, have had a lot of great things going for them,starting with they're all exceptionally smart; hell, I was even greatly impressed with Mike Gravel when this campaign started and briefly had him as my favorite, tho now I keep forgetting that he is even here; and all of them have things that make me cringe.
Two of my more recent things detailing problems w/candidates were an anti-Obama one here: http://mojave-wolf.livejournal.com/43870.html
and an anti-Hillary, I'm going w/Dodd one here:
http://mojave-wolf.livejournal.com/42850.html
(I realize this anti-Hillary bit may seem trivial, but my disgust at ALL the people who get worked up over a disguised, hard to find consensual vanilla sex scene w/no problematic elements other than explicitness, in a game part of the point of which is to have sex with prostitutes right before you murder them, well, I . . . rage and disgust and contempt are really the only words that come to mind; she probably just did this to score political points and barely has a clue what the game is about but still . . . things like this fill me with Icariumesque rage)

I've complained about Edwards too, not least the 2004 campaign, which is his biggest strike in my book, along with not just the Iraq vote, but that he keeps hammering Hillary on it when he was on the intelligence committee and had to know the justification was bullshit (yes, I realize, *all* of them knew the justification was bullshit, or I hope so, else they're much stupider than I think and much too stupid to be president, but he had access to more evidence so this makes him even more culpable), and that he actually wrote an op-ed article favoring the invasion, which Hillary didn't (you keep up with these things more than I, so let me know if my memory is delusional), and this kinda puts his hypocrisy level beyond all bounds. And his arguably sexist comment, certainly cheap shot comment, on the non-crying incident. (which may sound like I hate everyone, but compared to any of the Republicans, I'm gonna be going rah-rah for them in the general, even Obama, tho I've come to truly loathe the tone of his campaign and a lot of its online supporters)

Oh, as long as I'm rambling -- do you mind if I friend you?

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[info]ladysashi
2008-01-21 07:56 pm UTC (link)
I was in the Hillary camp, myself, until I did some serious independent research and discovered she attends meetings with organizations that I find highly questionably, personally... specifically thse groups have attachments to the likes of the Bush family, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft, James Baker, the Saudi King's family, Osama bin Laden, etc. Two examples that are well known are The Carlyle Group and the Bilderberg Group -- organizations that set foreign policy and establish funding for such policies to benefit rich corporate interests, specifically the banking institutions.

Seeing her name running loosely in such circles (not as an official member, apparently, but as an "observer" during meetings) made me suspect enough to look at a list of her campaign contributors as well... Let's just say, I was shocked.

Do some digging on your own and you'll see what I mean.

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